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Forfatter:  Dmitri [ 15 nov 2005 13:02 ]
Titel:  Ecstacy nedbryder hjernen!?

newscientist.com/Ecstasy may damage the brain’s physical defences

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The drug ecstasy reduces the brain’s defences, reveals a new study of rats, leaving it vulnerable to invasion by viruses and other pathogens.

The researchers behind the study warn of "clinical considerations which may apply to the treatment of people who abuse MDMA". For example, anaesthetics could find it easier to penetrate the brain, "greatly increasing the risk of unwanted sedation". And they say infections could cause permanent damage to brain cells or alter the ability of the brain to function normally.

The brain is protected by a fence of tightly packed cells, called the blood-brain barrier. This prevents all but the smallest molecules from passing through. But the new experiments show that MDMA – the chemical name for ecstasy, or “e” – somehow forces open that barrier, allowing larger molecules access to the brain.

Bryan Yamamoto at Boston University, US, and colleagues gave rats four doses of MDMA over 8 hours. “We were trying to approximate a human dosaging pattern,” says Yamamoto. The scientists also injected a blue dye, made of molecules too large to get into the rats' brains under normal circumstances.

One day later, the researchers found the dye had made its way into parts of the brain, such as the caudate and the hippocampus. Ten weeks later, despite no further doses of MDMA being given, new injections of dye were still passing through the blood brain barrier.

Ten weeks in rats could be considered the equivalent of five to seven years in humans. “It does seem to be a very protracted opening,” says Yamamoto. But, as yet, he is unable to say for sure whether the breach is permanent.

Prior protection

Other new research on MDMA has investigated "binges" of ecstasy-taking in rats. Scientists found that rats exposed to many single doses of ecstasy as adolescents are protected from much of the harm caused by e-binges as adults.

Jerrold Meyer at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, US, and colleagues gave pre-pubescent rats a dose of ecstasy, then repeated the dose every five days, until young adulthood – a total of six doses.

After a period to allow the rats to clear the drug from their bodies, they received up to four times the previous dose spread only over a few hours. The researchers monitored such things as body temperature, body weight and behaviour. A week later, their brains were studied for signs of neurotoxicity.

Typically after a big ecstasy binge, animals suffer hyperthermia, fatigue and lethargy and sustain damage to serotonin axons – the long fibres extending from serotonin-containing neurons. All these features were observed in control rats.

But the rats that had been pre-exposed to the drug were spared these symptoms, including damage to their serotonin system. “Exposure does have this powerful effect to protect animals,” says Meyer.

Therapeutic use


Whether any prior exposure, or only exposure during adolescence, can protect humans this way is not yet clear. “My hunch is that it might be specific to the adolescent period,” Mayer says.

But the mechanism remains a mystery. Among the possibilities is that the pre-exposed animals may be metabolising the drug more quickly, he says, or they may be ratcheting up antioxidant activity in their bodies, or they may be modifying their serotonin receptors.

Not all research on MDMA is into its negative effects. Stephanie Linley at Florida Atlantic University in Port St Lucie points out that the drug is now being investigated for clinical use in diseases as wide-ranging as schizophrenia, post-traumatic stress disorder and terminal cancer.

These papers were presented at the Society for Neuroscience annual meeting, in Washington DC, US.


Så den næste anti-Ecstacy kampagne kommer under overskriften "E er hul i hovedet".

Forfatter:  ConfusioN [ 15 nov 2005 14:27 ]
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men har der ik været kæmpe forskel på dyre forsøg med mdma og aktuelle målinger på mennesker der har taget det ??



dyreforsøg er bullshit imo..

menneskehjernen er meget mere avanceret end dyrs ;)

Forfatter:  Halifaxxx [ 15 nov 2005 22:48 ]
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Sandt, men når det gælder den rent neurologiske opbygning, transmitterstoffer osv. har vi mange ting til fælles. Så vidt jeg ved adskiller vores blod-hjerne barriere sig ikke meget fra en rottes. Jeg kunne dog godt ønske mig mere fyldestgørende information omkring forsøget. Dosering og deres bud på mekanismerne bag fænomenet fx.

Forfatter:  Rex Mundi [ 15 nov 2005 23:25 ]
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Jeg syntes godt nok det er utroligt hvordan at vi konstant får rapporterer der først siger at det er uskadeligt, og så rapporter om at der er skadeligt konstant :roll: :roll:

Forfatter:  syreperlen [ 15 nov 2005 23:53 ]
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Rex Mundi skrev:
Jeg syntes godt nok det er utroligt hvordan at vi konstant får rapporterer der først siger at det er uskadeligt, og så rapporter om at der er skadeligt konstant :roll: :roll:

Sådan er videnskab. Man finder altid ud af noget nyt om noget man troede man kendte så godt.

Forfatter:  Drupe [ 16 nov 2005 03:05 ]
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aliaarhus skrev:
Rex Mundi skrev:
Jeg syntes godt nok det er utroligt hvordan at vi konstant får rapporterer der først siger at det er uskadeligt, og så rapporter om at der er skadeligt konstant :roll: :roll:

Sådan er videnskab. Man finder altid ud af noget nyt om noget man troede man kendte så godt.


Man skal da alligevel lede længe efter research der svinger så voldsomt mellem den ene yderlighed "totalt uskadeligt" til den anden "herre farligt", fra rapport til rapport, udover når det gælder MDMA.

Jeg ville ønske MDMA var lovligt, i det mindste bare i terapeautisk og forskningsmæssigt regi, så vi kunne få noget solid viden istedet for dette virvar af rapporter, hvor det ikke er til at gennemskue hvad der er biased og hvad der er seriøst.

Forfatter:  dd [ 17 nov 2005 00:06 ]
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Stadig synes jeg det er lidt skræmmende i forhold til fx kokain og amfetamin som MDMA påvirker hjernen.

.. Ikke at det dóg afholder mig fra at spise det!

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