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"Dutch government wants to make magic mushrooms illegal

After a few incidents with tourists taking mushrooms in Amsterdam the Dutch government wants to ban magic mushroom. However, it seems now that all these incidents were completely unrelated to mushrooms. Nevertheless, the government is still thinking about making magic mushrooms illegal and will decide on the matter this Friday.

We really hope it will not be the case, but cannot tell what the outcome will be. Therefore, we recommend you buy your magic mushrooms before they will no longer be available.

http://www.SH***N*SH*P.com"

Oversat til dansk:
"Den hollandske regering overvejer at gøre svampe illegale.

Efter få hændelser, hvor turister i Amsterdam har taget svampe, vil den hollandske regering nu forbyde svampe. Det ser dog ud til at disse hændelser er komplet urelaterede til svampe. Alligevel overvejer regeringen stadig at gøre svampe illegale. Det bliver afgjort denne fredag.

Vi håber ikke at det er tilfældet, men vi har ingen idé om hvad resultatet kan føre til. Derfor anbefaler vi alle at bestille deres svampe, inden de ikke længere er mulige at få fat på."



Jeg kan ikke udtrykke nok bekymring for hele verdens stramninger omkring stoffer. Først de nye bødetakster, og nu det her!

Edit/ Hvis i føler for det, flytter i bare emnet til "Politisk", eller "Psilocybin svampe", måske "Generelt"?


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jeg havde lige glædet mig til at jeg skulle til amsterdam og spise svampe hmm.


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Jeg følger lige op med artikler - der er bla noget om den 17-årige franske pige der kastede sig ud fra en bro. Kilden er en større hollands smartshop der har oversat hollandske nyheder til engelsk, de takker om ikke andet hollandske aviser nedenunder - og det fatter jeg jo brik af.

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Dutch media failed in check and recheck their sources - one of the most important prinicipals of journalism - by publishing their stories about the several magic mushrooms incidents earlier this month. Now it seems to be that the French tourist who murdered his dog with a pair of scissors last friday, didn't took any magic mushrooms.

According an anonymous source of the GG&GD they didn't do any bloodtests or medical research to investigate this bloody case. The French tourist explained that he killed his dog because he freaked out after eating magic mushrooms.




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Smartshop owners in de centre of Amsterdam call for stricter regulation, to stay ahead of a total ban on magic mushrooms. According to the shops, only restriction would be a solution to the problems that the sale of mushrooms brings along.

The sale of mushrooms was called into question in March when a seventeen-years-old French girl jumped from a bridge and died after eating mushrooms. It also appeared that since 2005 the number of tourists that needed first aid after eating mushrooms had increased.

Law offense

“The problem is not the smartshops, but those shops that sell mushrooms without information, along with t-shirts and souvenirs,” so says Guy Boels, president of the National Association of Smartshops (VLOS).

But law is still offended by smartshops as well. The municipality of Amsterdam had two smartshops closed last week. During a check these shops, Innerspace and Magic Mushroom Gallery, turned out to offense the Opium Law. Dried mushrooms which are scheduled as harddrugs (only fresh mushrooms are allowed) and GHB were found.

A ban?

A ban on magic mushrooms was proposed by the ministers of CDA, VVD, PFF and Christian Union; therefore a new study was carried out on the risks and dangers for users and society. The RIVM (National Institute for Public Health and Environment) has now finished the report. It was discussed in the parliament but will be presented to the public after summer. Then also the decision on the future of the magic mushroom will be made.

In 2000 a similar study has been done. Every possible risk of mushroom consumption was proven to be zero or very small, which means fresh mushrooms should not be banned.

VLOS, the National Association of Smartshops, now calls for regulation so that mushrooms will remain legally and safely available. The forthcoming points are proposed to the parliament.

1) No sale to minors.
2) Further professionalisation of the smartshops by means of a course for smartshop owners and staffs.
3) A general mushroom information flyer, in as many languages as possible.
4) Concentration of the sale of mushrooms in specialized professional shops that handle according to the rules, recognizable by a trademark.




Nogle der kan komme med en god forklaring på hvorfor det kun er lovligt at sælge friske svampe? Den eneste årsag jeg umiddelbart kan se er at folk skulle have tendens til at spise mindre, men er det så ikke bare et forbehold for folk uden hjerne og vægt?


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jeg snakkede med en dame i amsterdam, som fortalte at de bedre kunne styre svampe-indtaget hvis de blev solgt friske!

Håber virkelig ikke det sker, det ville ændre en del!


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Hvad skete der så i fredags? Nogen der ved det?

Det var i fredags ikk'?


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Altså det besværliggører jo procesen en hel del at de skal være friske. Det kræver en konstant dyrkning plus køleskab mv for at have en konstant forsyning. Men ved dog ikke om dette har noget at sige!


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Edit: Har en relateret artikel fra BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4691899.stm

Har også en lille engelsk opdatering fra den forbudte hjemmeside hvis navn vi aldrig nævner:


"Dutch media failed in checking and rechecking their sources - one of the most important principles of journalism - by publishing their stories about the several magic mushrooms incidents earlier this month. Now it seems to be that the French tourist who murdered his dog with a pair of scissors last friday, did not consume any magic mushrooms at all.

According to an anonymous source of the GG&GD mushroom consumption was assumed even before it was investigated. The French tourist explained that he killed his dog because he freaked out after eating magic mushrooms. Now, it seems to be that he had a 'normal psychosis'.

Negative perspective
According to Hans van den Hurk, owner of the Conscious Dreams smartshop in Amsterdam and wholesaler, there is an all over trend going on to put magic mushrooms in a negative perspective.
Many accidents with tourists are automatically related with magic mushrooms. Besides, all incidents with tourists are compared with each other and the stories are published in the same way.
Whether earlier incidents really caused by eating magic mushrooms is still doubtable.

Last week a young tourist from Iceland jumped out his hotelroom window. He explained that he felt extremely paranoid, and then freaked out. He tried to escape through the window which made him fall down 6 meters. Both his legs and feet are broken. He declared that he panicked after eating magic mushrooms. His father insists on a total ban on magic mushrooms.

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It is very rare that somebody freaks out and jumps after eating mushrooms. Accidents are often the result of combining mushrooms with alcohol, medicines or other stimulants. Also depressed people should not eat magic mushrooms.

A tourist who declares to have eaten magic mushrooms before panicking fits in the ongoing trend of negative publicity about magic mushrooms that started a few months ago.

Besides, this explanation keeps a tourist free from further criminal proceedings. If the man from Iceland would have possessed any harddrugs like LSD, speed or cocaine things would not worked out for him so easily. This 'mushroom explanation' was probably one the best options. These are just speculations, we are not sure yet if these arguments are correct. Unfortunately, in the same way speculations and assumptions are often presented by the media as the truth.

However, this negative publicity around magic mushrooms will lead to stricter political regulations and perhaps to a total ban on a drug that belongs to the group of least addictive and harmful substances in our society."


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Okay det er selvfølgelig altid trist at folk på svampe gør dumme ting og dør (måske forårsaget af svampene - måske ikke)... Men da folk dør af det skal det selvfølgelig gøres ulovligt :roll:

Men til sammenligning, hvor mange mon dør hvert år fordi de falder i søvn med en tændt smøg i hånden? Skal rygning så ikke også forbydes - i det tilfælde er det jo indirekte årsag til folk dør... som med svampene i eksemplerne? Nogen dør jo af det rygeri (altså med mindre de allerede er indregnet i de ca. 15.000 der dør hvert af af rygning og relaterede sygdomme)...

Som matematiker kan jeg ikke undlade at kigge lidt på tallene - så sent som i morges stod der i nyhederne på texttv (DR) at omkring 2.000 om året dør af passiv rygning... Rygning er også under hårdt press i denne tid; men alkohol kræver fx omkring 10.000 ofre om året (i DK alene)... sammelignet er det noget under 500 ialt på såkaldte hårde stoffer - og sorteres heroin og metadon fra er vi langt under 200 som jeg lige husker tallene.
Min pointe er, at det ikke kan være hensynet til folks ve og vel, som ansporer den stadig stigende hetz på "alternative" rusmidler - det er snarere uvidenhed og/eller et kraftigt lobbyarbejde fra producenter af lovlige rusmidler... Det handler jo om penge, som alt andet her i livet :!:


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