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Psychedelic medicine: Mind bending, health giving

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It may not be long before doctors are legally prescribing hallucinogens for the first time in decades. "There are medicines here that have been overlooked, that are fundamentally valuable" ... By the mid-1960s, more than 1000 peer-reviewed papers had been published describing the treatment of more than 40,000 patients for schizophrenia, depression, alcoholism and other disorders ... to some brave souls, psychedelic medicine never lost its allure ... psychedelic research is back for good, and this time it will do things right. "This gives us the chance to show that we have learned our lessons," he says. Halpern, too, is anxious to lay to rest the ghost of Leary. "That man screwed it up for so many people," ... peyote at least can be taken repeatedly without adverse effects ...


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JOHN HALPERN clearly remembers what made him change his mind about psychedelic drugs. It was the early 1990s and the young medical student at a hospital in Brooklyn, New York, was getting frustrated that he could not do more to help the alcoholics and addicts in his care. He sounded off to an older psychiatrist, who mentioned that LSD and related drugs had once been considered promising treatments for addiction. "I was so fascinated that I did all this research," Halpern recalls. "I was reading all these papers from the 60s and going, whoa, wait a minute! How come nobody's talking about this?"

More than a decade later, Halpern is now an associate director of substance abuse research at Harvard University's McLean Hospital and is at the forefront of a revival of research into psychedelic medicine. He recently received approval from the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to give late-stage cancer patients the psychedelic drug MDMA, also known as ecstasy. He is also laying the groundwork for testing LSD as a treatment for dreaded super-migraines known as cluster headaches.

And Halpern is not alone. Clinical trials of psychedelic drugs are planned or under way at numerous centres around the world for conditions ranging from anxiety to alcoholism. It may not be long before doctors are legally prescribing hallucinogens for the first time in decades. "There are medicines here that have been overlooked, that are fundamentally valuable," says Halpern.

These developments are a remarkable turnaround. Scientists first became interested in psychedelic drugs - also called hallucinogens because of their profound effect on perception - after Albert Hofmann, a chemist working for the Swiss pharmaceutical firm Sandoz, accidentally swallowed LSD in 1943. Hofmann's description of his experience, which he found both enchanting and terrifying, spurred scientific interest in LSD as well as naturally occurring compounds with similar effects: mescaline, the active ingredient of the peyote cactus; psilocybin, found in magic mushrooms; and DMT, from the Amazonian shamans' brew ayahuasca.

At first, many scientists called these drugs "psychotomimetics" because their effects appeared to mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. However, many users rhapsodised about the life-changing insights they achieved during their experiences, so much so that in 1957, British psychiatrist Humphry Osmond proposed that the compounds be renamed "psychedelic", from the Greek for "mind-revealing". The term caught on, and psychiatrists started experimenting with the drugs as treatments for mental illness. By the mid-1960s, more than 1000 peer-reviewed papers had been published describing the treatment of more than 40,000 patients for schizophrenia, depression, alcoholism and other disorders.

A prominent member of this movement was Harvard psychologist Timothy Leary, who among other things tested whether psilocybin and LSD could be used to treat alcoholism and rehabilitate convicts. Although his studies were initially well received, Leary eventually lost his reputation - and his job - after he began touting psychedelics as a hotline to spiritual enlightenment. Leary's antics helped trigger a backlash, and by the late 1960s psychedelics had been outlawed in the US, Canada and Europe. Unsurprisingly, clinical research ground to a halt, partly because obtaining the necessary permits became much more difficult, but also because few researchers were willing to risk their reputations studying demonised substances.

But to some brave souls, psychedelic medicine never lost its allure. One of them is Rick Doblin, who in 1986 founded the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) in Sarasota, Florida, and who earned a doctorate from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government after writing a dissertation on the federal regulation of psychedelics. For nearly 20 years MAPS has lobbied the FDA and other government agencies to allow research on psychedelics to resume. It has also persuaded scientists to pursue the work and raised funds to support them. A similar body, the Heffter Research Institute in Santa Fe, New Mexico, was founded in 1993 by scientists with an interest in hallucinogens.

In the past couple of years their efforts have begun to pay off. Doblin is optimistic that psychedelic research is back for good, and this time it will do things right. "This gives us the chance to show that we have learned our lessons," he says. Halpern, too, is anxious to lay to rest the ghost of Leary. "That man screwed it up for so many people," he says.

With this in mind, Halpern says the first task for him and others is to evaluate the safety of psychedelics. And they are up against an entrenched orthodoxy: a 1971 editorial in The Journal of the American Medical Association warned that repeated ingestion of psychedelics causes personality deterioration. "Only a few of those who experience more than 50 'trips' are spared," it warned.

So Halpern's first big foray into psychedelic research was aimed at risk-assessment. In the late 1990s he launched a study of members of the Native American Church, who are permitted by US law to consume peyote. Halpern examined 210 residents of a Navajo reservation in the south-west US, who fell into three categories: church members who had taken peyote at least 100 times but had had little exposure to other drugs or alcohol; non-church members who abstained from alcohol or drugs; and former alcoholics who had been sober for at least three months.

Halpern tested the subjects' IQ, memory, reading ability and other functions. His interim results showed that church members had no cognitive impairment compared with the abstainers, and scored significantly better than recovering alcoholics. Church members also reported no "flashbacks" - sudden recurrences of a psychedelic's effects long after the initial trip. Halpern believes this study, which he expects will be published soon, shows that contrary to the 1971 editorial, peyote at least can be taken repeatedly without adverse effects.

He is now conducting a similar assessment of MDMA. This drug is sometimes called an "empathogen" because it heightens feelings of compassion and reduces anxiety. Anecdotal reports suggest it has therapeutic potential, and some psychiatrists used it alongside psychotherapy before it was outlawed in 1985. However, anecdotal and scientific evidence have also linked MDMA with brain damage, though the research is controversial.
Ecstasy impact

Judging the true impact of MDMA is complicated by the fact that users often combine it with other drugs and alcohol. To get around this, Halpern recruited a group of American mid-westerners who admitted taking MDMA but said they shunned other substances. He separated them into "moderate" users, who had consumed MDMA 22 to 50 times, and "heavy" users, who had taken it more than 50 times.

Halpern recently reported in the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence that, compared with controls, heavy users displayed "significant deficits" in mental processing speed and impulsivity. Moderate users, however, had no major problems. Halpern believes this shows that MDMA's benefits may outweigh its risks for certain patients. And apparently the FDA and the McLean Hospital agree, since both have approved Halpern's plan to test MDMA as an anti-anxiety drug for a dozen late-stage cancer patients. Halpern still needs permission from the Drug Enforcement Administration, but he expects to begin recruiting patients soon.

He is also interested in the potential benefits of the true hallucinogens. In 1996, he reviewed almost 100 substance abuse trials involving LSD, psilocybin, DMT and ibogaine, an extract of the African shrub Tabernanthe iboga. Halpern found tentative evidence that the drugs can reduce addicts' cravings during a post-trip "afterglow" lasting for a month or two. Exactly how this happens is something of a mystery. A popular theory is that the benefits stem from the drugs' psychological effects, which include profound insights and cathartic emotions, but Halpern suspects that there may be a biochemical explanation too.

For now, however, Halpern isn't planning to pursue addiction therapy. He is more interested in another medical use for LSD and psilocybin: treating a debilitating condition known as cluster headaches. These attacks appear to be caused by swelling of blood vessels in the brain and are worse than migraines. Sufferers say the pain exceeds that of passing a kidney stone or giving birth without anaesthetics. They affect about 3 in every 1000 people sporadically, and 1 in 10,000 chronically. "There's a tremendous potential need for this," says Halpern, who investigated the problem after being approached by a patient group.

Many patients get little or no relief from painkillers, but some claim that small doses of LSD or psilocybin can alleviate the headaches and even prevent them from occurring. Halpern was intrigued; LSD is chemically related to ergot, a naturally occurring compound that constricts blood vessels, and the derivatives ergotamine and methysergide are commonly prescribed for migraines.

Halpern and his Harvard colleague Andrew Sewell are now gathering evidence to persuade licensing officials - and themselves - that LSD and psilocybin merit a clinical trial. Sewell has gathered more than 60 testimonials from cluster headache sufferers who have treated themselves with LSD or psilocybin.

Another member of the vanguard in the psychedelic revival is Charles Grob, a psychiatrist at the Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles, California, and co-founder of the Heffter Institute. After years struggling to get permits, Grob says he is slowly moving forward with a study into using psilocybin to reduce distress in terminal cancer patients. He points out that studies done in the 1960s suggested that psychedelics can help patients come to terms with their impending death. So far Grob has treated three patients, but he hopes to enrol more subjects shortly.

Grob has also led several investigations like Halpern's peyote study, but looking at ayahuasca, the DMT-rich shamanic brew. Ayahuasca often causes nausea and diarrhoea, and its psychedelic effects can be terrifying, but Amazonian shamans nonetheless prize it for its visionary properties. Since 1987 it has been a legal sacrament for several churches in Brazil, the largest of which is União Do Vegetal. UDV combines elements of Christianity with nature worship, and claims 8000 members.

In 1996 a team led by Grob reported in the Journal of Nervous And Mental Disease that UDV members who regularly took ayahuasca were on average physiologically and psychologically healthier than a control group of non-worshippers. The UDV followers also had more receptors for the neurotransmitter serotonin, which has been linked to lower rates of depression and other disorders. Many of the UDV members told the scientists that ayahuasca had helped them overcome alcoholism, drug addiction and other self-destructive behaviours.

More recently, Grob has found that adolescents who grew up participating in ayahuasca ceremonies showed no ill effects and were less likely to engage in crime and substance abuse than members of a control group. Of course, Grob acknowledges that they could be benefiting from the social effects of membership in a church as well as the effects of ayahuasca itself. Grob plans to publish these results this year.

Several other scientists are quietly pursuing psychedelic research. Since 2001, psychiatrist Francisco Moreno of the University of Arizona in Tucson has been testing psilocybin as a treatment for obsessive-compulsive disorder. Psychotherapy and antidepressants such as Prozac help many patients, but some have such severe symptoms and are so resistant to treatment that they turn to electroshock therapy and even brain surgery. As with the work on cluster headaches, Moreno's study was motivated by reports from people with OCD that psilocybin relieves their symptoms.

So far, Moreno has given both sub-psychedelic and psychedelic doses of pure psilocybin to nine treatment-resistant OCD subjects, in a total of 29 therapy sessions. His preliminary findings suggest firstly that it is safe to ingest psilocybin, which was a primary concern of the trial. Beyond that, Moreno calls his results "promising", but won't discuss them further, since he plans to submit a paper to a peer-reviewed journal this year.

Meanwhile in Charleston, South Carolina, physician Michael Mithoefer is carrying out a MAPS-sponsored clinical trial of MDMA as a treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder. PTSD affects up to 20 per cent of people who experience a traumatic event, and involves distressing symptoms such as nightmares and panic attacks. Conventional treatments typically consist of cognitive therapy and antidepressants, but many patients don't respond to these. In the past year Mithoefer has given "MDMA-assisted" psychotherapy to six treatment-resistant patients, all traumatised by violent crimes; he plans to treat 20 patients in all.

The longest-running psychedelic therapy programme started almost 20 years ago in Russia. Evgeny Krupitsky, a psychiatrist who heads a substance-abuse clinic in St Petersburg, has treated more than 300 alcoholics and about 200 heroin addicts with ketamine. Used primarily in veterinary medicine, ketamine is an anaesthetic that can trigger an extremely disorienting hallucinogenic episode lasting an hour or so. Krupitsky's subjects often emerge from their sessions filled with revulsion for their past lives and determined to change. The therapists encourage these feelings with tricks such as forcing the subjects to sniff a bottle of vodka at the peak of their session; the patients' disgust often persists long after the ketamine's effects have worn off.

In one of Krupitsky's studies, 73 out of 111 alcoholics stayed dry for at least a year after their session, compared with 24 per cent of those in a control group. Yet his programme, which was funded by MAPS and the Heffter Institute, was recently shut down because the Russian government tightened restrictions on ketamine. Although Krupitsky says he and his colleagues "are in the process of getting permission to continue", it may be several years before research resumes.

Although disappointed by this setback, Doblin is encouraged by developments elsewhere. He is lobbying officials in Spain and Israel to approve studies of MDMA for PTSD, and is raising funds for a substance-abuse trial of ibogaine outside the US together with the Heffter Institute. MAPS has also supported Frans Vollenweider, a psychiatrist at the University of Zurich in Switzerland, who has done basic research on the physiological effects of psilocybin and MDMA, and hopes to begin clinical research soon.

Doblin's primary goal is to see psychedelics legally recognised as medicines. But he also hopes that someday healthy people may take these substances for psychological or spiritual purposes, as members of the Native American Church and União Do Vegetal do, and as he did in his youth. After all, drugs such as Prozac and Viagra are already prescribed not just to heal the ill but also to enhance the lives of the healthy.

It is still an uphill struggle. Government funds for psychedelic studies are hard to come by, and drug companies have shown absolutely no interest in supporting the research. But there are signs that the wind is changing. Although psychedelics are still classified in the US as schedule-1 drugs, and so are banned for all non-research purposes, in November a US Federal Appeals Court in Colorado ruled that a branch of the UDV based in Santa Fe, New Mexico, could import ayahuasca for use in ceremonies. Among the research findings cited in the court decision were Grob's studies showing no ill effects from ayahuasca. The Department of Justice is appealing the decision, but if the Supreme Court denies the appeal, UDV members in the US will be able to ingest ayahuasca legally.

Maybe, just maybe, after more than 30 years in the wilderness, this powerful, misunderstood but potentially mind-healing class of drugs is ready to be rehabilitated.

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Dmitri, rigtig fed artikel at poste. Jeg vil lige henlede din opmærksomhed på følgende stykke fra forum-reglerne:

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- Artiklen ikke har været oppe at vende før.

Nogle brugere vil nok undre sig over, hvorfor man skal kopiere hele artiklen/nyheden - men grunden er ret simpel: Vi har før oplevet, at hvis brugere kun smider linket til artiklen ind i indlægget, så kan linket senere hen blive et dødt link - artiklen vil derefter ikke eksistere mere og topic'et er ødelagt.


Nu har jeg gjort det for dig, men hav det i baghovedet en anden gang :)

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Læs mere omkring psilocybin og LSD's helbredende effekt på "cluster headaches" her: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/ ... cal1.shtml


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Nogle brugere vil nok undre sig over, hvorfor man skal kopiere hele artiklen/nyheden - men grunden er ret simpel: Vi har før oplevet, at hvis brugere kun smider linket til artiklen ind i indlægget, så kan linket senere hen blive et dødt link - artiklen vil derefter ikke eksistere mere og topic'et er ødelagt.

Nu har jeg gjort det for dig, men hav det i baghovedet en anden gang :)


Øh ja, jeg undrer mig lidt. Men så må jeg vel hellere også smide teksten fra det andet link ind!?

Wired.com: Long Trip for Psychedelic Drugs
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Psychedelic drugs are inching their way slowly but surely toward prescription status in the United States, thanks to a group of persistent scientists who believe drugs like ecstasy and psilocybin can help people with terminal cancer, obsessive-compulsive disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder, to name just a few.

The Heffter Research Institute, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies and others have managed to persuade the Food and Drug Administration to approve a handful of clinical trials using psychedelics. The movement seems to be gaining ground in recent years. Since 2001, the FDA and the Drug Enforcement Administration have given the go-ahead to three clinical trials testing psychedelics on symptomatic patients, and several more are on deck.

Doctors who saw their patients benefit from psychedelic drugs back when they were legal are dedicated to jumping through bureaucratic hoops and diminishing the drugs' party stigma to get psychedelics in patients' hands, and brains.

"I'm interested in the treatment being available to people who need it, and doing it aboveboard and publishing good results," said George Greer, founder of the Heffter Research Institute, a scientific organization that organizes and funds trials involving psychedelics.

At first blush, it seems like an uphill battle more challenging than the one medical-marijuana advocates have been facing. MDMA has been vilified by the National Institute on Drug Abuse and in news stories, making it seem unlikely that federal agencies will ever allow the legal use of psychedelics.

But it might actually be easier to get psychedelics through the approval process than marijuana, according to Rick Doblin, founder and president of MAPS. The roadblock with marijuana has centered on supply. A government-controlled crop in Mississippi is the only marijuana the government will allow in clinical trials. But the supply of psychedelics is decentralized, and the researchers have control of much of it.

Doblin's persistence and know-how -- he has a doctorate in public policy from Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government -- led to the launch of the first FDA-approved clinical trial testing MDMA as a therapy (in this case for post-traumatic stress disorder) since the drug became illegal.

And now it looks like Doblin's alma mater may be close to launching the first psychedelic research that Harvard has allowed on its campus in almost 40 years. Two weeks ago, Dr. John Halpern, an associate director of the substance-abuse research program at Harvard's McLean Hospital, presented his proposal for testing MDMA as a treatment for anxiety in terminal cancer patients to an institutional review board -- a body of scientists, ethicists and community members -- which approves and keeps tabs on studies.

"It feels like we're getting close to opening the door to psychedelic research at Harvard, which has been shut since 1965, so these are exciting times," Doblin said.

Halpern is also working with Bob Wold, a 51-year-old construction firm owner who suffered from debilitating cluster headaches, which are rare but brutal, until four years ago when he tried psilocybin to treat them. Wold had never used psychedelic drugs recreationally, and he was concerned and skeptical about using an illegal substance. But he was in the midst of choosing between three surgeries for his cluster headaches, each of which would have cost about $35,000. One involved a gamma knife to cut into his brain; the other two required holes drilled in his skull. Given those options, psilocybin didn't seem so radical.

"(The psilocybin) broke my cycle" of headaches, Wold said. "There is nothing on the market now, and there never has been, that will actually break a cycle."

Achieving relief from his nightmarish pain spurred Wold to start a movement. He now runs clusterbusters.com, where he communicates with about 200 other cluster-headache victims who have tried psilocybin to relieve their pain. Wold has collected reams of data in the form of questionnaires, which Halpern can present to Harvard's institutional review board.

Studies starting as early as the '50s that showed psilocybin and LSD had therapeutic effects helped Wold decide to try a psychedelic. The studies also showed success with other disorders including depression, alcoholism and addiction to other drugs like heroin.

The Heffter institute's Greer saw firsthand the effects of MDMA on his patients in the early '80s. He synthesized his own MDMA (it was first synthesized by Merck in 1912) along with Alexander Shulgin, who became a cult figure for psychedelic enthusiasts. In 1986, Greer and his wife, Requa Tolbert, a clinical nurse, published the first and what is still the largest body of data on the therapeutic effects of ecstasy.

Greer hoped eventually to discover the mechanism of MDMA, which stands for 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine, and get it approved as a prescription drug for certain ailments. But starting in 1985, the tone of psychedelic research changed. Ecstasy had become a popular street drug, and the DEA declared MDMA a schedule 1 drug, the highest level of illegal drug in the United States. Anyone caught using or distributing ecstasy, including doctors, would face fines and jail time, and Greer stopped prescribing it for his patients.

"The government was funding a lot of research about abuse of psychedelic drugs," Greer said, "but no one was funding research to use them to understand how the brain works or to treat people with psychological or medical problems."

Another reason progress has been slow is because NIDA-funded studies performed by Dr. George Ricaurte and Dr. Una McCann found that MDMA had ill effects on the brain. A 2002 study was particularly worrisome because it showed that ecstasy caused Parkinson's-like brain damage. But a year later, the researchers retracted the study because they discovered they had accidentally used methamphetamine instead of ecstasy.

In the wake of these controversial results, psilocybin, the active ingredient in "magic mushrooms," seemed more acceptable to the FDA and DEA. Dr. Charles Grob, head of adolescent and child psychiatry at the Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, tried for almost a decade to get the go-ahead to perform a study using MDMA to treat anxiety in terminal cancer patients. He got permission in the early '90s to use the drug in a safety study on healthy volunteers, the results of which were published in Behavioral Brain Research in 1996, and the Journal of Magnetic Resonance Imaging in 1999.

But what he really wanted was to work with a patient population. When after several years neither the FDA nor the DEA went for the idea, he changed his proposal.

"By the late '90s felt it felt hopeless to work with MDMA because it had gotten such a negative reputation, so we revamped the study to work with psilocybin," Grob said. "In 2003, it was accepted."

Due to the strict guidelines for the study, however, only two patients out of the 12 necessary to complete the trial have participated in the study, and another is lined up.

Dr. Francisco Moreno at the University of Arizona has administered psilocybin to eight obsessive-compulsive disorder patients. His study, which began in 2001, was the first FDA-approved clinical trial involving a psychedelic in 30 years. He presented positive results at a recent scientific meeting, and is in the process of publishing his data in a medical journal.

"I'm very optimistic for the future," Grob said. "I think these compounds have tremendous untapped potential to be utilized within medicine and psychology. I think they need to be demystified, and safety parameters need to be established and studied. But with good controls, I think they can be used safely and effectively."


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Alle disse artikler som i har postet.. skal de forestille en form for psychedelisk revolution som er på revy eller??
Der står mange gode ting, men hvem (nu hentyder jeg til regeringer) gider at høre på det..?

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Alle disse artikler som i har postet.. skal de forestille en form for psychedelisk revolution som er på revy eller??
Der står mange gode ting, men hvem (nu hentyder jeg til regeringer) gider at høre på det..?

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Du lyder som om du ikke har læst artiklerne. Der står jo at der rent faktisk er blevet givet nogle forskningstilladelser rundt omkring, hvilket jo betyder at der allerede er nogen der har lyttet lidt hist og her. Med andre ord er det rigtigt gode nyheder! Det giver mig håb om at vi inden for en nær fremtid vil se psykedeliske stoffer blive anerkendt som de stærkt virkende redskaber de er, i stedet for udelukkende at blive betragtet som noget der kan misbruges med overhængende fare for psykoser.

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Viva la revolución psicodélica!

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Meget interessant artikel. Specielt MDMA kunne sikkert overtale mange "almindelige mennesker" om de gode egenskaber hele gruppen af stoffer har. "Lykkepiller" får jo ikke den bedste omtale i forvejen og en kur mod depression, PTSD og andre lidelser, kunne sikkert åbne op for nogle døre.


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Problemet har jo bare tidligere været - eller det var det ihvertfald i 60'erne - at man troede at psykedeliske stoffer var en slags kurmedicin i sig selv ligesom penicillin, så man proppede bare en gang LSD i hovedet på en psykisk syg person, og så regnede man med at han/hun automatisk ville blive helbredt. Jeg mindes sågar at have læst et sted om nogle forsøg på Frederiksberg hospital, hvor sygeplejersken, der overværer en LSD-session, overlader patienten til sig selv, mens hun går til frokostpause.

Jeg ved ikke om folk har forstået at hallucinogenerne er værktøjer og ikke vidundermidler, men der er ingen tvivl om at resultatet afhænger af hvordan man benytter sig af dem.


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I forbindelse med fx. kureringen af "cluster-headaches" er det vigitgt at notere sig at den terapeutiske dosis er væsentlig under den psykoaktive. Det forhindrer dog ikke myndighederne i mange steder at obstruere det videnskabelige fremskridt på området takket være syrespøgelset fra 60'erne.

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Artikelförfattaren talar en del om UDV som lyckats bryta sig in i usa. I Europa är det dock Santo Daime som kommit längst. De är etablerade i Ryssland, Polen, England, Skottland, Wales, Irland, Tyskland, Belgien, Holland, Frankrike, Spanien, Portugal, Italien och kanske några fler länder här. Jag har hört att det var en grupp som försökt sig på att starta upp i Köpenhamn också, men inte fått det bekräftat. Jag vet att de är mycket intresserade av att starta upp i Danmark i alla fall och det finns mycket hjälp att hämta från dem då. Det hjälper de till med gratis så klart.

Kan bara rekommendera er att stödja alla sådana initiativ. Jag tror den vägen är en snabbare murbräcka än forskningsvägen.


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En dansk afdeling af UDV ville være meget interessant.


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Problemet har jo bare tidligere været - eller det var det ihvertfald i 60'erne - at man troede at psykedeliske stoffer var en slags kurmedicin i sig selv ligesom penicillin, så man proppede bare en gang LSD i hovedet på en psykisk syg person, og så regnede man med at han/hun automatisk ville blive helbredt. Jeg mindes sågar at have læst et sted om nogle forsøg på Frederiksberg hospital, hvor sygeplejersken, der overværer en LSD-session, overlader patienten til sig selv, mens hun går til frokostpause.

Jeg ved ikke om folk har forstået at hallucinogenerne er værktøjer og ikke vidundermidler, men der er ingen tvivl om at resultatet afhænger af hvordan man benytter sig af dem.


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Det är alltså Santo Daime och inte UDV som har den spridningen i Europa. Hur det är med UDV vet jag inte, jag har inte hört talas om dem i Europa, men å andra sidan inte hört mig för så särskilt. Det känns ju rimligt att anta att de är etablerade på ett par ställen. Det vore intressant att veta. :ears:


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