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Turn on, tune in, drop out?


Timothy Leary sagde dette engang i et "fordrag" om LSD, men hvad betyder det?

Bare noget jeg har undret mig over i et stykke tid nu...

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Turn on: Kom igang, bliv bevidst, tag en masse psykedeliske stoffer. Tja...
Tune in: Grav dybere ind i emnet, opnå religiøse og spirituelle oplevelser.
Drop out: Vær modstander af det etablerede samfund....

Er min opfattelse af det citat. Det er selvfølgelig ikke entydigt, men kan opfattes på også andre spændende måder.


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Jeg opfatter det lidt som en radio, en slags radio der afspejler ens bevidsthed. Med bevidstheden dvs. radioen tænder man, finder den rette frekvens og til sidst, dropper ud. Jeg opfatter det lidt som bevidstheden der dropper ud af omgivelserne, hvis det giver nogen mening :)


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jeg opfatter det lidt sådan her:

Turn on: Indtag dit stof
Tune in: upcoming
Drop out: plateau

Men det er vel egentlig også ca. det samme som treasure siger...


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Leary's egen udlægning af 'Turn on, tune in, drop out':(kilde: vist nok et gammelt Playboy blad)
'Turn on' means to contact the ancient energies and wisdoms that are built into your nervous system. They provide unspeakable pleasure and revelation.
‘Tune in’ means to harness and communicate these new perspectives in a harmonious dance with the external world.
‘Drop out’ means to detach yourself from the tribal game."

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Nu bør man generelt tage hvad Leary sagde med et gran salt... Han formåede sgu ikke rigtigt at holde jordforbindelsen efter alt den LSD. Jeg vil tilskrive ham en meget stor del af ansvaret for at psykedeliske stoffer ikke bliver brugt i psykiatrien den dag i dag...

En smule OT måske, men jeg synes det er på sin plads at nævne det når talen falder på Leary.

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Jeg tror for det meste sund fornuft har ansvaret for at psykedeliske stoffer ikke bliver brug i psykiatrien i dag. Jeg tror næppe man har særlig meget kontrol med en psykiatrisk patient på 300ug LSD.


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Treasure>> Så læs lidt Grof... Det virker ikke som om han har haft de store problemer.
Jeg har ellers længe opfattet drop out som drop out of our univers and into the real being !


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Tja, der er nok flere fortolkninger af det. Min opfattelse er lidt som Treasure, at vores bevidsthed er en radiomodtager.

Turn on: intag stoffet, eller søg den spirituelle årvågenhed.

Tune in: Find din frekvens, (din sjæl om du vil) -den energi som udtrykker essensen af dig, bagom dit ego, bagom dit sind. Øjet som ser. Opmærksomheden, når alt andet er skrældet bort.

Drop out: Giv slip på din krop, og rejs dybt på frekvensen, indtil du smelter sammen med Altet.

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Nu bør man generelt tage hvad Leary sagde med et gran salt... Han formåede sgu ikke rigtigt at holde jordforbindelsen efter alt den LSD. Jeg vil tilskrive ham en meget stor del af ansvaret for at psykedeliske stoffer ikke bliver brugt i psykiatrien den dag i dag...


Jeg mener at huske at Hoffman i "LSD - My Problem Child" skriver noget om Leary-problematikken. Nu er min hukommelse ikke så stærk, men det var vist bl.a. Learys utallige opfordringer - også rettet mod de helt unge - til at forsøge sig med LSD (udenfor terapeutisk sammenhæng), der gjorde udslaget for Hoffman.

Heller ikke så mærkeligt at man får antipati mod sådan en mand, når man som fader til det stof, kan se at et lovende psykedelika miste sine chancer på det psykiatriske plan :-/


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@jespar: Jeps. Han er et svin :D

The Case of Dr. Leary
Dr. Timothy Leary, who has become known worldwide in his role of drug apostle, had an extraordinarily strong influence on the diffusion of illegal LSD consumption in the United States. On the occasion of a vacation in Mexico in the year 1960, Leary had eaten the legendary "sacred mushrooms," which he had purchased from a shaman. During the mushroom inebriation he entered into a state of mystico-religious ecstasy, which he described as the deepest religious experience of his life. From then on, Dr. Leary, who at the time was a lecturer in psychology at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, dedicated himself totally to research on the effects and possibilities of the use of psychedelic drugs. Together with his colleague Dr. Richard Alpert, he started various research projects at the university, in which LSD and psilocybin, isolated by us in the meantime, were employed.
The reintegration of convicts into society, the production of mystico-religious experiences in theologians and members of the clergy, and the furtherance of creativity in artists and writers with the help of LSD and psilocybin were tested with scientific methodology. Even persons like Aldous Huxley, Arthur Koestler, and Allen Ginsberg participated in these investigations. Particular consideration was given to the question, to what degree mental preparation and expectation of the subjects, along with the external milieu of the experiment, are able to influence the course and character of states of psychedelic inebriation.

In January 1963, Dr. Leary sent me a detailed report of these studies, in which he enthusiastically imparted the positive results obtained and gave expression to his beliefs in the advantages and very promising possibilities of such use of these active compounds. At the same time, the Sandoz firm received an inquiry about the supply of lOOg LSD and 25 kg psilocybin, signed by Dr. Timothy Leary, from the Harvard University Department of Social Relations. The requirement for such an enormous quantity (the stated amounts correspond to 1 million doses of LSD and 2.5 million doses of psilocybin) was based on the planned extension of investigations to tissue, organ, and animal studies. We made the supply of these substances contingent upon the production of an import license on behalf of the U.S. health authorities. Immediately we received the order for the stated quantities of LSD and psilocybin, along with a check for $10,000 as deposit but without the required import license. Dr. Leary signed for this order, but no longer as lecturer at Harvard University, rather as president of an organization he had recently founded, the International Federation for Internal Freedom (IFIF). Because, in addition, our inquiry to the appropriate dean of Harvard University had shown that the university authorities did not approve of the continuation of the research project by Leary and Alpert, we canceled our offer upon return of the deposit.

Shortly thereafter, Leary and Alpert were discharged from the teaching staff of Harvard- University because the investigations, at first conducted in an academic milieu, had lost their scientific character. The experiments had turned into LSD parties.

The LSD trip - LSD as a ticket to an adventurous journey into new worlds of mental and physical experience - became the latest exciting fashion among academic youth, spreading rapidly from Harvard to other universities. Leary's doctrine - that LSD not only served to find the divine and to discover the self, but indeed was the most potent aphrodisiac yet discovered - surely contributed quite decisively to the rapid propagation of LSD consumption among the younger generation. Later, in an interview with the monthly magazine Playboy, Leary said that the intensification of sexual experience and the potentiation of sexual ecstasy by LSD was one of the chief reasons for the LSD boom.

After his expulsion from Harvard University, Leary was completely transformed from a psychology lecturer pursuing research, into the messiah of the psychedelic movement. He and his friends of the IFIF founded a psychedelic research center in lovely, scenic surroundings in Zihuatanejo, Mexico. I received a personal invitation from Dr. Leary to participate in a top-level planning session on psychedelic drugs, scheduled to take place there in August 1963. I would gladly have accepted this grand invitation, in which I was offered reimbursement for travel expenses and free lodging, in order to learn from personal observation the methods, operation, and the entire atmosphere of such a psychedelic research center, about which contradictory, to some extent very remarkable, reports were then circulating. Unfortunately, professional obligations kept me at that moment from flying to Mexico to get a picture at first hand of the controversial enterprise. The Zihuatanejo Research Center did not last long. Leary and his adherents were expelled from the country by the Mexican government. Leary, however, who had now become not only the messiah but also the martyr of the psychedelic movement, soon received help from the young New York millionaire William Hitchcock, who made a manorial house on his large estate in Millbrook, New York, available to Leary as new home and headquarters. Millbrook was also the home of another foundation for the psychedelic, transcendental way of life, the Castalia Foundation.

On a trip to India in 1965 Leary was converted to Hinduism. In the following year he founded a religious community, the League for Spiritual Discovery, whose initials give the abbreviation "LSD."

Leary's proclamation to youth, condensed in his famous slogan "Turn on, tune in, drop out !", became a central dogma of the hippie movement. Leary is one of the founding fathers of the hippie cult. The last of these three precepts, "drop out," was the challenge to escape from bourgeois life, to turn one's back on society, to give up school, studies, and employment, and to dedicate oneself wholly to the true inner universe, the study of one's own nervous system, after one has turned on with LSD. This challenge above all went beyond the psychological and religious domain to assume social and political significance. It is therefore understandable that Leary not only became the enfant terrible of the university and among his academic colleagues in psychology and psychiatry, but also earned the wrath of the political authorities. He was, therefore, placed under surveillance, followed, and ultimately locked in prison. The high sentences - ten years' imprisonment each for convictions in Texas and California concerning possession of LSD and marijuana, and conviction (later overturned) with a sentence of thirty years' imprisonment for marijuana smuggling - show that the punishment of these offenses was only a pretext: the real aim was to put under lock and key the seducer and instigator of youth, who could not otherwise be prosecuted. On the night of 13-14 September 1970, Leary managed to escape from the California prison in San Luis Obispo. On a detour from Algeria, where he made contact with Eldridge Cleaver, a leader of the Black Panther movement living there in exile, Leary came to Switzerland and there petitioned for political asylum.

Meeting with Timothy Leary
Dr. Leary lived with his wife, Rosemary, in the resort town Villars-sur-Ollon in western Switzerland. Through the intercession of Dr. Mastronardi, Dr. Leary's lawyer, contact was established between us. On 3 September 1971, I met Dr. Leary in the railway station snack bar in Lausanne. The greeting was cordial, a symbol of our fateful relationship through LSD. Leary was medium-sized, slender, resiliently active, his brown face surrounded with slightly curly hair mixed with gray, youthful, with bright, laughing eyes. This gave Leary somewhat the mark of a tennis champion rather than that of a former Harvard lecturer. We traveled by automobile to Buchillons, where in the arbor of the restaurant A la Grande Foret, over a meal of fish and a glass of white wine, the dialogue between the father and the apostle of LSD finally began.
I voiced my regret that the investigations with LSD and psilocybin at Harvard University, which had begun promisingly, had degenerated to such an extent that their continuance in an academic milieu became impossible.

My most serious remonstrance to Leary, however, concerned the propagation of LSD use among juveniles. Leary did not attempt to refute my opinions about the particular dangers of LSD for youth. He maintained, however, that I was unjustified in reproaching him for the seduction of immature persons to drug consumption, because teenagers in the United States, with regard to information and life experience, were comparable to adult Europeans. Maturity, with satiation and intellectual stagnation, would be reached very early in the United States. For that reason, he deemed the LSD experience significant, useful, and enriching, even for people still very young in years.

In this conversation, I further objected to the great publicity that Leary sought for his LSD and psilocybin investigations, since he had invited reporters from daily papers and magazines to his experiments and had mobilized radio and television. Emphasis was thereby placed on publicity rather than on objective information. Leary defended this publicity program because he felt it had been his fateful historic role to make LSD known worldwide. The overwhelmingly positive effects of such dissemination, above all among America's younger generation, would make any trifling injuries, any regrettable accidents as a result of improper use of LSD, unimportant in comparison, a small price to pay.

During this conversation, I ascertained that one did Leary an injustice by indiscriminately describing him as a drug apostle. He made a sharp distinction between psychedelic drugs - LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, hashish - of whose salutary effects he was persuaded, and the addicting narcotics morphine, heroin, etc., against whose use he repeatedly cautioned.

My impression of Dr. Leary in this personal meeting was that of a charming personage, convinced of his mission, who defended his opinions with humor yet uncompromisingly; a man who truly soared high in the clouds pervaded by beliefs in the wondrous effects of psychedelic drugs and the optimism resulting therefrom, and thus a man who tended to underrate or completely overlook practical difficulties, unpleasant facts, and dangers. Leary also showed carelessness regarding charges and dangers that concerned his own person, as his further path in life emphatically showed.

During his Swiss sojourn, I met Leary by chance once more, in February 1972, in Basel, on the occasion of a visit by Michael Horowitz, curator of the Fitz Hugh Ludlow Memorial Library in San Francisco, a library specializing in drug literature. We traveled together to my house in the country near Burg, where we resumed our conversation of the previous September. Leary appeared fidgety and detached, probably owing to a momentary indisposition, so that our discussions were less productive this time. That was my last meeting with Dr. Leary.

He left Switzerland at the end of the year, having separated from his wife, Rosemary, now accompanied by his new friend Joanna Harcourt-Smith. After a short stay in Austria, where he assisted in a documentary film about heroin, Leary and friend traveled to Afghanistan. At the airport in Kabul he was apprehended by agents of the American secret service and brought back to the San Luis Obispo prison in California.

After nothing had been heard from Leary for a long time, his name again appeared in the daily papers in summer 1975 with the announcement of a parole and early release from prison. But he was not set free until early in 1976. I learned from his friends that he was now occupied with psychological problems of space travel and with the exploration of cosmic relationships between the human nervous system and interstellar space - that is, with problems whose study would bring him no further difficulties on the part of governmental authorities.

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Tim Leary var IMO en stor personlighed. Jeg kan anbefale at man læser hans selvbiografier, der efter min mening er noget af det bedste han har skrevet, og giver et godt indtryk af situationen på det tidspunkt.

Jeg giver ikke en skid for dem der siger at det var hans "skyld" at LSDen ikke kunne bruges psykiatrisk. Learys hedonistiske tilgang og forsøg på at popularisere dette stof var helt i orden. Hvorfor ikke bruge stoffet til at have det sjovt og blive klogere samtidigt? Hvem siger at man skal tage det mens en læge ser på? Hvorfor ikke selv bestemme hvad det skal bruges til? Hvornår man vil tage det? Hvad man vil gøre med sit liv?

En sand psykedelisk helt. RIP


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Jeg er, for en gangs skyld, enig med dankdawg. Man må huske på at Leary var med helt for begyndelsen og derfor ikke havde samme perspektiv på de psykedeliske stoffer som vi har i dag. Han gjorde hvad han på det tidspunkt fandt rigtigt og selvom vi nok må erkende at han på nogle områder tog fejl, ramte han plet på andre. Jeg synes fx. at hans analyse af den psykedeliske oplevelse er uovertruffen og til dags dato uovergået. At kalde ham et "svin" er udtryk for at man ikke har læst på lektien. På det tidspunkt famlede alle i mørket og han var en af de få som turde står frem og risikerere alt for at kaste lys over det ukendte. Det kom som bekendt også til at koste ham hans job som lektor på Harvard.

Hvad angår hans seksuelle "eskapader", som pressen yndede at kalde dem, så var Leary fascineret af bevidsthedens rolle under den seksuelle akt længe før han opdagede psykedelika. Senere hen blev han interesseret i den seksuelle del af den østlige, tantriske mystik. LSD blev derfor et naturligt næste skridt for ham. Uheldigvis passede disse eksperimenter hverken sammen med Dr. Hoffman's naturvidenskabelige perspektiv eller den amerikanske middleklasses syn på teenagernes seksualitet. Det er beklageligt at hans budskab bev misforstået, men det skyldes i højere grad tabloidpressens sensationshunger end det skyldes Leary selv. Han var, i mine øjne, en ægte pioner og et forbillede for alle nulevende psykonauter.

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At kalde ham et "svin" er udtryk for at man ikke har læst på lektien.


"Svin" var nu ment for sjovt, hvilket smilien i slutningen af sætningen gerne skulle forklare :P

Godt nok er det ret begrænset hvor meget jeg har læst om ham (har desværre heller ikke læst hans egne tekster endnu), men må indrømme, at ud fra hvad folk har skrevet og hvad jeg har læst rundt omkring hvad angår hans rolle på LSD-scenen, måske ikke har været særlig positivt... hvis man tager din og dank's indlæg i betragtning. Kan godt følge jeres pointe.

Må vel få fat i hans egne tekster og høre hans version af historien istedet :)

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Hvem siger at man skal tage det mens en læge ser på?


En terapeutisk sammenhæng er efter min mening måske også lidt overdrevet, i hvert fald til mere rekreativt brug blandt "godtfolk".

Men der er forskel på de mange ukontrollerede trips der fulgte i kølvandet på Leary's promovering af stoffet (Måske advarede han ikke nok om de dårlige sider?), og så på en naturlig skepsis og en fornuftsbetonet respekt over for nye kemikalier, som man slynger i hovedet.

Så vidt jeg har forstået det historiemæssigt, tildels via Hoffman's bog, så udartede det sig i en mængde tilfælde, hvor folk kom ud i situationer på LSD, som de overhovedet ikke kunne kapere, fordi de ingen anelse havde om hvad de egentlig indtog, og derfor gjorde det uden tanke for set og setting.

Derved myndighedernes interesse for at stoppe alle eksperimenter med stoffet. Det synes jeg ikke er særlig gennemtænkt at medvirke til, men det kan være at jeg har overset nogle helt klare pointer? Jeg har kun læst Albert Hoffmans bog, ikke litteratur af Leary selv.


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