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Jeg har fundet meget lidt information online om denne svamp, den skulle vist være psykedelisk, har dog ikke fundet trip-rapporter eller oplevelser der bekræfter dette.
Der vides ikke særlig meget om hvad det er for nogle stoffer i svampen der ligger til grunde for den psykedeliske virkning.

Svampen stammer fra New Guinea.

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Boletus Manicus Heim


Benjamin Thomas, B.A.(Hons)*

Journal of Psychoactive Drugs 35(3), 393-394 (2003)


Abstract
Boletus manicus Heim [Boletaceae] is a species of fungus found in Papua New Guinea. It is reported to have psychoactive properties. The chemistry of this species is poorly understood. The available chemical data indicates that B. manicus contains trace amounts of three unidentified indolic substances. The chemical structure of these substances has not yet been determined. For these indoles to be active in trace amounts they must be as potent as d-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD).

Boletus manicus Heim [Family: Boletaceae; Order: Agaricales; Class: Basidiomycetes] is a species of fungi that was originally collected and described by the French mycologist Roger Heim [1900-1979] from Papua New Guinea in the 1960s (Heim 1963). In August to September 1963, Heim visited the Wahgi Valley in the Western Highlands Province of Papua New Guinea for three weeks with American ethnomycologist R. Gordon Wasson [1898-1986] (Heim & Wasson 1965). Heim and Wasson visited the Wahgi Valley to investigate reports by Australian anthropologist Marie Reay [1922-2000] that the Kuma people used apparently hallucinogenic [sic] fungi (Reay 1960). B. manicus has become well known for its psychoactive properties, as a result of many popular books (R?tsch 1998; Dobkin de Rios 1984; Schultes & Hofmann 1979; Emboden 1972). It is reported to produce visual and auditory hallucinations (Thomas 2000: 172)

The chemistry of B. Manicus remains poorly understood and the active principle is unkown (Schultes & Hofmann 1980). However, B. Manicus contain indolic substances (Ratsch 1998: 688;Ott 1993: 422). The presence of these indolic substances was originally reported by Heim(Heim 1965) Heim provided samples of B. Manicus to Albert Hofmann in his Sandoz AG laboratory in Basel, Switzerland, in the 1960s (Hofmann 2001). Hofmann, the Swiss chemist who discovered d-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), detected trace amounts of three indolic substances in B. Manicus (Ott 1993: 298 & 422) but "The amounts were too low to allow structural studies" (Hofmann 2001).
Heim has suggested that these indolic substances "could be psychotropic" (Heim 1072: 173). As a result, Heim conducted three bioassays with B. Manicus. These trials with "weak dose"( less than 60 mg; Ott 1993:298) were attemped by Heim, who suggested that "the amount were insufficient to make any definite deductions" (Heim 1972:173).
However, in the second trial, the ingestion of a powder made by crushing the fresh of B. Manicus was followed by "the appearance of several luminous, fleeting visions during the course of a dream" (Heim 19072: 173)

Evidence for the presence of indolic substances in B. manicus can be found in the description of both the visual and auditory effects of these mushrooms (Reay 1977). After ingesting B. manicus Kuma men experienced "Lilliputian hallucinations [sic]" (Reay 1977: 59). Similar hallucinations have been reported with other species of Boletus (Stijve 1997: 33). In China, the ingestion of uncooked boletes has been reported to produce hallucinations of "a whole regiment of 2 cm tall soldiers marching over the table-cloth" (Stijve 1997: 33). "Lilliputian hallucinations [sic]" have also been experienced with the use of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) (O'Rorke 1998: 32). The Kuma experienced "Lilliputian hallucinations [sic]" of bush-demons flying about their heads (Reay 1977: 59). The Kuma regarded bush-demons as "tiny, two-dimensional, and often transparent creatures . . . [and] always identified cartoon figures . . . readily and positively as representations of bush-demons" (Reay 1977: 59). Such demons would "buzz" about their heads. It was reported by one Kuma man who had eaten B. manicus that these demons also made a "strange and terrible noise 'inside his ears' which he interpreted as a bush-demon boxing his ears" (Reay 1977: 59). Psilocybin often produces a similar "buzzing" noise (Beach 1996-1997: 13).

If any of the unidentified indolic substances in B. manicus are psychoactive, then they must be as potent, if not more potent, than LSD (Ott 1999). Assuming that B. manicus contains 1% of these indolic substances, which is a much higher concentration of indoles than Hofmann found in Mexican Psilocybe mushrooms (Hofmann 1960), a 1% concentration would represent less than 0.6 mg (600 ?g) of these substances (Ott 1999). Jonathan Ott has suggested that "we know of no fungal indole active at this level" (Ott 1999). The only substance that could explain psychoactivity at or below this level is LSD (Ott 1999). It is, of course, possible that B. manicus might contain LSD. If it does, it is difficult to understand why Albert Hofmann was unable to detect its presence in B. manicus samples that he analyzed in his laboratory. For this reason, it is unlikely that B. manicus does contain LSD. It is possible, however, that B. manicus contains an as yet unidentified psychoactive indolic substance that is more potent than LSD


Det lyder jo ganske interessant. Vil gerne vide mere! (:

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Lyder virkelig spændende. Har holdt øje med tråden i lang tid nu, da jeg håbede lidt på at der var nogen kloge hoveder der havde noget at sige her. Desværre mener jeg ikke selv at jeg kan bidrage med noget.


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Det havde jeg også lidt håbet, denne svamp fortjener opmærksomhed.

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LSD? I don't think so. Sikkert en af de andre indoler, måske psilocybin men igen - den ligner nærmere en spisesvamp, meget atypisk psilocybe look.

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Hvorfor skulle den ikke indeholde d-lysergic acid diethylamide ? Hvis vi antager at meldrøjer og Boletus Manicus har sammen kemiske struktur ..indoler?? Kun et gæt.
(og nok ikke et realistisk gæt, men hva faen!)


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Meldrøjer indeholder ikke LSD, men ergotamin der bliver syntetiseret til LSD. Der er ingen kendte organismer der producerer LSD, så det vil være noget af en sensation hvis man nu har fundet en svamp der producerer det naturligt, og derfor også meget usandsynligt.

Og som der står, så ved videnskaben ikke hvilke psykoaktive stoffer der er i svampen, så vi kan kun spekulere i hvad det kan være. Det kan være kemiske strukturer som vi aldrig har hørt om i psykedelisk sammenhæng, eller det kan være noget meget velkendt som fx DMT. Jeg kan ikke rigtigt se hvordan vi skulle kunne komme med flere oplysninger om svampen end der er beskrevet i den artikel.


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Jeg er godt klar over at LSD ikke er forekommer "naturligt" men noget som mennesker har syntetiseret (Hofmann). Men men,, hvorfor skulle denne struktur (Alias LSD-25 ) ikke forekomme..
Ville bare hvad en forklaring, siden du siger det er usandsynligt.

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Synes da egentligt at mortens forklaring er meget fin. At finde lsd som er naturligt forekommet ville svarer lidt til at finde penge som rent faktisk groede på et træ.. muligt men højst usandsynligt


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