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Er der nogle af jer som har prøvet eller har erfaringer dette nye stof ?
5-MAPB eller 1-(2-benzofuran-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine

Efter hvad jeg har læst mig til at det skulle have en effekt hen ad MDMA. Som er det jeg søger

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Der er for nylig kommet en triprapport med en fra bluelight. Meget positive anmeldelser, men den har desværre kraftig vaso og kraftig stimulering.

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Har 500mg på vej. Bliver en fornøjelse at prøve! :) allerede over et år siden jeg sad og forsøgte at få 6-MAPB synth'd, men det ville blive rigtig dyrt, da den eneste mulige syntesevej var med 6-APB som precursor, og n-methyleringens-trinnet var åbenbart ikke muligt at udføre i særligt højt yield.

Tror dog 5-MAPB er et rigtig lækkert stof, og 6-MAPB (hvis det alligevel kommer) er nok endnu bedre!
Skal nok poste en report så snart det kommer :)

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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/6567 ... arly-there
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SUBSTANCE: (1-(benzofuran-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine) Aka- 5 MAPB

APPEARANCE: Light Tan with an almost slightly light orange tint

CAS:N/A

5pm: Bombed 100mg of 5-MAPB in a rizla. And so it begins.....

5:20pm: Can't be sure if this is placebo, but my legs are starting to feel slightly rubbery akin to a 5/6 APB comeup. My vision also has an almost soft overlay about it, and the residual tiredness from the previous night out had faded. Also worthy of note is the fact I haven't eaten since lunch about 5 hours ago.

5:30pm: Wow! This substance seems to climb a fair bit quicker than 5APB, as considerable lightness in my limbs is present, and touch feels awesome. At this moment in time, I'm dancing around to status quo (yes, I know I'm old and sad) with a massive grin across my face. My pupils are also fairly dilated now, and the music whilst sounding fantastic, also has a distant feel about it. To expand, those familiar with the APB's may know that upon the comeup, it can seem if you are trapped in a 'no-man's land' between slightly off baseline, and effects having taken force. With MAPB, this is present to degree, although it isn't as pronounced. I would go as far to say that at this point, MAPB has a subtle methylone-esque about it.

5:50 - 6pm: The rushes of euphoria have become more intense as the hour mark approaches, with scalp tingles being bought the the fore during a head massage that I asked my Girlfriend to give me. Needless to say, it was Godlike, as the already great bodyhigh of 5-APB is improved with MAPB to where it is ALMOST on par with MDMA; so close to the point that if I had been given this in a blind trial between MDMA at 5-MAPB, at this point in time, I would be assuming its MDMA I had been given.

6:20pm: This is where MAPB and APB begin to show their differences. A forewarning, MAPB is quite stimulating, and the heart rate increase is on par with good ol' dose of MDMA, if not more so, so those of you who found 5APB to stimmy, this may not be for you. Empathy wise, its there, but we aren't talking 'go and hug everything type empathy. Whilst I felt compelled to talk openly to my significant other, and felt very close to her throughout this experience, the empathy seems quite forced in comparison to MDMA, and I would go as far to say this substance won't make you break down barriers with your arch nemesis.

6:30 - 8pm: Yes I know this is a large time gap, but as akin with the APB's, time dilation kicked in quite badly, therefore making accurate time keeping a bit of a challenge. Already peaking, the tactile enhancement still remained orgasmic, but the jaw clenching was fairly bad, despite dosing 200mg of magnesium prior to dropping. Once thing is for certain, the serotonin activity with MAPB is huge, as I found that during the peak, I was drowned in what I can only describe as a sense of perfect contemplation with the world, and a grin so wide that my face actually began to hurt. On a positive note, the sense of being floored was minimal compared to 5-APB, and instead I was overcome with endless energy to dance and move, which was a welcome change to the monged out state which 5-APB can produce.

8:30pm: To my surprise, I'm still going fairly strongly, with perhaps the only exception that the empathy has diminished slightly. However, one aspect I would point out is the issue that throughout the experience, the vasoconstriction has been fairly strong despite moving about frequently. Considering I get near zero vasoconstriction on MDMA and 5/6APB, I considered this a major negative of the substance. Whilst the vaso wasn't dangerous in any way, I found that it was a considerable enough concern which stayed in the back of my mind throughout.

9pm: The effects had lessened to a slightly more noticeable degree now. All I can really say here is: 'more of the same, but less'. Furthermore, MAPB begins showing a few similarities to Methylone, as the experience begins to to creep into lingering residual stim territory with some remaining tactile enhancement and empathy.

11pm: By now, the empathy had faded completely, and I was left with some of body high remaining and a sense of contemplation. This would of been great if it hadn't been for the stimulation which insisted on poking its head out until the very end; a bit like Methylone at this point.

12pm: Settled down to sleep at this point. Can't be sure at what point I drifted off, although I do know I tossed and turned for a fair bit. I felt quite exhausted mentally at the end of this experience, most likely to the massive serotonin activity ( I would probably dose 80-90mg next time).

Overall, I would say that 5-MAPB is a midde-step between 5APB and MDMA. We are definitely getting closer to achieving a 'MDMA replica' experience, and I'm sure once 6-MAPB is released, a combination of these two compounds would equal or even surpass MDMA. There are moments where MAPB is virtually identical to MDMA, but then just as you think its heading in that direction, it takes a detour to Methylone-residual stim-vaso shitheap. For now, I would say that MAPB isn't worth using as a DOC, as it is simply more the 5APB that some know and love, with added tactile enhancement, stimulation and vasoconstriction, and that we will have to wait for its 6 variant to appear before we witness something special.

For en god ordens skyld skal det lige nævnes at 5-MAPB er nøjagtig lige så ulovlig som MDMA.


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Benzofuraner går da ikke under analog lovgivningen? Teknisk set er 5-MAPB ikke en Phenylethylamin eller tager jeg fejl?

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Jo, benzofuraner falder ind under gruppen phenethylaminer i analog lovgivningen. Benzofuraner er blot ringsubstituerede phenethylaminer..

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243. Phenethylamin-gruppen:
Enhver kemisk forbindelse som strukturelt er afledt af 2-phenylethan-1-amin, N-alkyl-2-phenylethan-1-amin, 1-phenylpropan-2-amin, N-alkyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amin, 1-phenylbutan-2-amin eller N-alkyl-1-phenylbutan-2-amin (R1, R2) ved enhver substitution i ringen med alkyl-, alkoxy-, alkandiylbis(oxy)- eller halogensubstituenter (R3). Dette er gældende uanset om den kemiske forbindelse er yderligere ringsubstitueret med en eller flere monovalente grupper (R3)n.
Generel struktur af phenethylamin-afledte kemiske forbindelser:

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[quote="...Benzofuraner er blot ringsubstituerede phenethylaminer..[/quote]
Det er noget vås.

Du argunemterer ikke.
Dit eksempel med benzofuran er ikke navngivet korrekt.
Det må da hedde:
5-(N-methyl-2-aminopropyl)-benzofuran.


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Jeg er enig med Blazrs navngivning. Aminen har højere prioritet end benzofurangruppen, derfor skal det hedde -amin til sidst og ikke benzofuran. Det korrekte navn for amfetamin er heller ikke aminopropylbenzen, men i stedet phenylpropanamin.

I øvrigt vil jeg også sige, man kan se de nye benzofuran stoffer som substituerede phenethylaminer.

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Ja det lyder nemlig som om det er et nice stoff :) Og vis du har lyst og gider ville det være super og høre det af en her fra Psy

Men vis er ulovligt at bestille hjem vil jeg "nøjes" MDMA. Så tolderne ikke tager min pakke :)

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Jeg er sikker på at myndighederne mener at (M)APB'erne er dækket under analoglovgivningen, ellers tror jeg de var røget på listen sammen med 5-IT, som blev tilføjet efter analoglovgivningen trådte i kraft.


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Jeg har ikke hverken navngivet eller checket navnet efter.. Blot smidt billeder ind af :)

Min pointe er blot at APB'erne har phenethylamin skelet og jeg tror det bliver svært at modargumentere at det er et phenethylamin.

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Jeg har ikke hverken navngivet eller checket navnet efter.. Blot smidt billeder ind af :)

Min pointe er blot at APB'erne har phenethylamin skelet og jeg tror det bliver svært at modargumentere at det er et phenethylamin.


Enig, men jeg er ikke sikker på, at myndighederne er helt så stærke i deres kemi. Det kunne godt være en gråzone i min optik.

Det sjove er jo, at de i UK har bannet ALLE phenethylaminer, og der er benzofuranerne anset som lovlige. Nu kender jeg ikke den specifikke lovtekst for deres analoglovgivning, men det juridiske må vel være ret ens?

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Næh, måske har du ret Mystery. Jeg tror nu at hvis myndighederne kan få presset (M)APB'erne ind under analoglovgivningen, så gør de det.

I det hele taget synes jeg den analoglovgivning er forvirrende.. Man kunne jo sagtens argumentere for at 5-IT også er et phenethylamin, hvorfor det er ret overflødigt at tilføje det til listen efter analoglovgivningen trådte i kraft

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Jeg synes også, at analoglovgivningen er forvirrende.

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243. Phenethylamin-gruppen:
Enhver kemisk forbindelse som strukturelt er afledt af 2-phenylethan-1-amin, N-alkyl-2-phenylethan-1-amin, 1-phenylpropan-2-amin, N-alkyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amin, 1-phenylbutan-2-amin eller N-alkyl-1-phenylbutan-2-amin (R1, R2) ved enhver substitution i ringen med alkyl-, alkoxy-, alkandiylbis(oxy)- eller halogensubstituenter (R3). Dette er gældende uanset om den kemiske forbindelse er yderligere ringsubstitueret med en eller flere monovalente grupper (R3)n.


Der behøver faktisk ikke stå mere efter den første komma. Hvis de vitterligt mener "enhver kemisk forbindelse, der er afledt af 2-phenylethan-1-amin" indbefatter det alle de forbindelser, de nævner nedenfor. I øvrigt er 5-IT også dækket af dette, så hvorfor den specifikt skal sættes på listen forstår jeg ikke. Problemet er nok, at det er så løst beskrevet, at man nok altid kan blive dømt for det, hvis det kom til en retssag. Men her kunne advokaten måske udnytte, at lovgivningen ikke er helt præcis på det område. Eller, den giver ihvertfald ikke helt mening, som den er formuleret nu. Bottomline er vist bare, at man ikke skal vide sig sikker på lovligheden af nogle phenethylaminer overhovedet. Så længe de indeholder phenethylaminskelettet, vil der nok altid være risiko for blive dømt under analoglovgivningen.

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I did 400mg on Thursday night and 325mg on Friday night. This stuff is smooth and easy on the body. At no time did my heart rate go above 80bpm or get erratic. The very first dose on Thursday of 50mg railed did get my heart racing for a short while but it calmed down quickly and stayed normal after that. This chemical has virtually no dopamine response. It is purely serotonin release. However, unlike MDMA, this stuff does not alter your perception very much. It has minimal mood lift and minimal trippiness. It does give you a warm distant feeling somewhat akin to marijuana. There is little to no euphoria except some nice lightness and tingly limbs. Expect to have jumpy spastic legs like an MDMA come down, but if you keep your legs shaking or moving you can avoid the spasms. This chemical is very mongy. At higher doses you dont want to do anything but sit or lay down and do nothing, in fact it does not feel very good to move around at all. Also at higher doses things can get quite confusing since you start to have problems focusing and start having double vision. You brain also becomes quite scattered with its thoughts.
On the second night after doing my last 50mg rail I started to get anxiety for the first time. An uncomfortable feeling that I was getting too hot and maybe experiencing serotonin syndrome. I drank a lot of water, and kept checking myself with a thermometer and checking my pulse consistently for deviation. All was normal and after about an hour I was feeling better. So a warning to all that there is a scary limit you can get too if you try to go for too long.
As far as ROA, I felt that railing was by far the best way to go. In fact, the best part of this chemical is the come up, it is quite intense and fun. However I would not advise railing more than 75mg at a time or it might be too intense. I did not personally get sick but I have heard a lot of people here have puked on the come up. After the come up the high is honestly kind of boring. You are left with a feeling of "this is it?". And then you think maybe if I take some more things will get better, well it doesnt, once again the come up from the second dose is fun, but afterwards you are again left with the kind of boring high as the first time.

Positives: Very little body load. Really fun come up when railed. Nice distant spaced out feeling. Nice light feeling to the limbs.

Negatives: Very little mood lift. Very mongy. No euphoria. No energy.

I think this chemical is only half of the puzzle. It is OK on its own, but it needs some other chemical to really make it shine. Another chemical to release a dopamine response to offset the monginess, increase the mood lift, and increase energy. Otherwise what we are left with is "marijuana light" IMHO.

My score is 3/10 with the potential to be much higher if it is mixed with the right chem.


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Jeg har lige et hurtigt spørgsmål angående 5-APB (ved godt tråden handler om 5-MAPB)
De gange jeg har været på 5-APB, har jeg fået massive kæbespændinger, så kraftige at det ligefrem var ubehageligt.
Jeg ved, at magnesium kan afhjælpe dette, men er det bare almindeligt magnesium, købt som kosttilskud i f.eks Matas, man skal gå efter?
Dosis - 500-1000mg? Er det ikke noget med, at for meget giver dårlig mave?


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Du skal have fat i "Chelated Magnesium" det reducere kæbespændinger enormt. Normalt magnesium synes jeg nedsætter det en smule, men ikke så meget.

Jo for meget magnesium virker afførende. Prøv 300mg chelated magnesium så vil du få tæt på ingen kæbespændinger.

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Thank you, Pete!
Er der muligt at få i håndkøb? Eller hvor får du fat i det? (jeg ved ikke om forhandlerlinks til sådan noget er lovligt herinde)
Har du selv erfaringer med 5-APB?


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Jeg har både erfaring med 5-APB og 6-APB. Nu bor jeg i UK fortiden så jeg køber det på amazon, da jeg har svært ved at finde chelated i forretninger. Har kun kunne finde magnesium oxid og magnesium carbonat men aldrig chelated.

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Så fik jeg endelig prøvet det famøse 5-MAPB, og sikke en oplevelse. Jeg skrev det som kommentar til en report på Bluelight, og det er derfor på engelsk. Håber i kan bære over med mig:

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SUBSTANCE: (1-(benzofuran-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine) Aka- 5 MAPB

APPEARANCE: Light Tan with an almost slightly light orange tint

CAS:N/A

5pm: Bombed 100mg of 5-MAPB in a rizla. And so it begins.....

5:20pm: Can't be sure if this is placebo, but my legs are starting to feel slightly rubbery akin to a 5/6 APB comeup. My vision also has an almost soft overlay about it, and the residual tiredness from the previous night out had faded. Also worthy of note is the fact I haven't eaten since lunch about 5 hours ago.

5:30pm: Wow! This substance seems to climb a fair bit quicker than 5APB, as considerable lightness in my limbs is present, and touch feels awesome. At this moment in time, I'm dancing around to status quo (yes, I know I'm old and sad) with a massive grin across my face. My pupils are also fairly dilated now, and the music whilst sounding fantastic, also has a distant feel about it. To expand, those familiar with the APB's may know that upon the comeup, it can seem if you are trapped in a 'no-man's land' between slightly off baseline, and effects having taken force. With MAPB, this is present to degree, although it isn't as pronounced. I would go as far to say that at this point, MAPB has a subtle methylone-esque about it.

5:50 - 6pm: The rushes of euphoria have become more intense as the hour mark approaches, with scalp tingles being bought the the fore during a head massage that I asked my Girlfriend to give me. Needless to say, it was Godlike, as the already great bodyhigh of 5-APB is improved with MAPB to where it is ALMOST on par with MDMA; so close to the point that if I had been given this in a blind trial between MDMA at 5-MAPB, at this point in time, I would be assuming its MDMA I had been given.

6:20pm: This is where MAPB and APB begin to show their differences. A forewarning, MAPB is quite stimulating, and the heart rate increase is on par with good ol' dose of MDMA, if not more so, so those of you who found 5APB to stimmy, this may not be for you. Empathy wise, its there, but we aren't talking 'go and hug everything type empathy. Whilst I felt compelled to talk openly to my significant other, and felt very close to her throughout this experience, the empathy seems quite forced in comparison to MDMA, and I would go as far to say this substance won't make you break down barriers with your arch nemesis.

6:30 - 8pm: Yes I know this is a large time gap, but as akin with the APB's, time dilation kicked in quite badly, therefore making accurate time keeping a bit of a challenge. Already peaking, the tactile enhancement still remained orgasmic, but the jaw clenching was fairly bad, despite dosing 200mg of magnesium prior to dropping. Once thing is for certain, the serotonin activity with MAPB is huge, as I found that during the peak, I was drowned in what I can only describe as a sense of perfect contemplation with the world, and a grin so wide that my face actually began to hurt. On a positive note, the sense of being floored was minimal compared to 5-APB, and instead I was overcome with endless energy to dance and move, which was a welcome change to the monged out state which 5-APB can produce.

8:30pm: To my surprise, I'm still going fairly strongly, with perhaps the only exception that the empathy has diminished slightly. However, one aspect I would point out is the issue that throughout the experience, the vasoconstriction has been fairly strong despite moving about frequently. Considering I get near zero vasoconstriction on MDMA and 5/6APB, I considered this a major negative of the substance. Whilst the vaso wasn't dangerous in any way, I found that it was a considerable enough concern which stayed in the back of my mind throughout.

9pm: The effects had lessened to a slightly more noticeable degree now. All I can really say here is: 'more of the same, but less'. Furthermore, MAPB begins showing a few similarities to Methylone, as the experience begins to to creep into lingering residual stim territory with some remaining tactile enhancement and empathy.

11pm: By now, the empathy had faded completely, and I was left with some of body high remaining and a sense of contemplation. This would of been great if it hadn't been for the stimulation which insisted on poking its head out until the very end; a bit like Methylone at this point.

12pm: Settled down to sleep at this point. Can't be sure at what point I drifted off, although I do know I tossed and turned for a fair bit. I felt quite exhausted mentally at the end of this experience, most likely to the massive serotonin activity ( I would probably dose 80-90mg next time).

Overall, I would say that 5-MAPB is a midde-step between 5APB and MDMA. We are definitely getting closer to achieving a 'MDMA replica' experience, and I'm sure once 6-MAPB is released, a combination of these two compounds would equal or even surpass MDMA. There are moments where MAPB is virtually identical to MDMA, but then just as you think its heading in that direction, it takes a detour to Methylone-residual stim-vaso shitheap. For now, I would say that MAPB isn't worth using as a DOC, as it is simply more the 5APB that some know and love, with added tactile enhancement, stimulation and vasoconstriction, and that we will have to wait for its 6 variant to appear before we witness something special.

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I had a very similar experience to this, dosed 103 mg in a gelcap. You definitely hit the nail on the head regarding the come up. I couldn't distinguish the feeling from quality MDMA for some 20 minutes. After that, the experience turned into a quite different high compared to good ol'e MDMA. Slight visual change, increased social activity, euphoria. In hindsight, the stimulation was a bit much. Then again, 5-APB is quite stimulating on it's own, and the n-methylation definitely increased that.

At the end of my experiment, I struggled to sleep. Dosed at 9 pm, and couldn't sleep before my watch said 5 am. Would dose earlier next time, or take a few milligrams of Etizolam to get more sleep.
The next day, I felt burned out. From lack of sleep, and from what felt like lowered levels of monoamines. Much like if I had taken a large dose of Methylone. My appetite were non-existant and my mood was down the toilet. No MDMA-esque afterglow here.

The bad feeling subsided after getting some proper sleep and a nice meal later on.

Worthwhile? Sure, if you're into euphoriant-stimulants with empathogenic and hints of psychedelic effects.
But this experiment in particular could've gone better if I had been able to sleep properly.

The vasoconstriction was certainly there, however it wasn't bad. No worse than your average 5-IT / 6-APB / 5-APB experience.

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